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Let's discuss! by mcmogatk

 

Dear Artists,

Please read our "Judging/Voting Procedure" carefully bofore you post your message. The logs will be published in the Exhibition on the "Art on the Net 2002." We are looking forward to creative discussion and result!

Best regards,

You Minowa MCMOGATK

Monday, September 30th, 2002 at 01:47


 
Re: Let's discuss! by David Golumbia

  I'd like to stick up for some principles that I wish I saw in a few more of the pieces, which to me derive from the 6RC principles Eryk S. has promoted and that I find pretty congenial. These include:

a) do something that can only be done on the web;
b) if possible, avoid Flash where the effects can be done in HTML or images; try to do what is specific to the web (see #a) as opposed to what can be/is done in video, film, or CD-ROM: if flash is used, not just to play movies & sound please...
c) have some interaction
d) be relevant to what happened on 9/11, which does not mean there must be pictures of flaming buildings
e) say something besides/or in addition to, "terrorism is bad," or "religious fundamentalism is bad," etc. Say something that art can say, rather than/in addition to what plain words can say.

So far, I think only a couple of the works operate on these principles for me, in addition to being aesthetically interesting: I'm about halfway through careful examination, & the ones that seem to do this for me are: Eryk S, suk ram ren fah, Gabriel Otoro, couple of others i'm not finished with yet. Some of the ones people have voted for I see a couple of these principles being violated badly (again, just my opinion) so they don't work so well for me - & so i'm not so inclined to want to see a "single still image," since that is something a lot of other media do well.

DG


Friday, October 4th, 2002 at 15:30


 
Re^1: Let's discuss! by Ansgard Thomson

  are you trying to make the rules about what is art on the net?
just for the fun of it I animated my jpg "terror from the sky" and placed it on my welcome page . does this make it more like webart ?

http://www.vennercs.com/users/athomson/welcome.htm

Friday, October 4th, 2002 at 17:34


     
 
while (Art on the Net ll net.art) { by Blazenko Karesin

  Although i was the first here (i think) to mention the subject of web-inherent art (net art), i think we shouldn't take any rules about what it exactly is too strictly, otherwise we will diminish both the art itself and us.
As for this exhibition, it is called Art on the Net, not Net Art...
It was my preference to make the usage of the net (web) an important criterium in my "judging", and probably will be some other people's too, but i don't consider it a God-given rule, espec. because i don't find anything in our hosts' introductions that makes it one, or that rules out submitting a woodcut, like the very nice piece Colleen Corradi made. For example, it is exactly the superposition of the ancient technique - and style - over the ultra-modern motif of WTC towers falling Hollywood-style, that i like about it. Thus, it had to be a woodcut to get that effect.
Making a static image a piece of net art is not much different from making a black and white, or a silent movie, or a sequence of still images - it being an art movie depends mainly on the art of it, not mainly on the fact that it uses it's medium in this or that manner.
If it hits me, it hits me, whatever the theory around it - IF it hits hard.
It is when it doesn't, when i'm considering something between the extremes of garbage and genius work, that the relation to proper.full.inherent.whateverYouCallIt usage of the medium will play an important role; but not necessarily absolute one.
It just so happens that it's exactly where most of the stuff one can see abides.
Anyway, in the words of Mr. Kogawa, "the Internet is open to all, and authority and aura do not belong here"
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Saturday, October 5th, 2002 at 13:19


 
Re^1: while (Art on the Net ll net.art) { by David Golumbia

  I want to clarify that I too am not very interested in rules. I did think the call for art for "Art on the Net 2002" was pretty specific about the quest for net-based art, and I do think that net-based art is the thing that is most fully represented in the submissions (I've found several more I like a lot since last posting, may update on these later).

My only question with forms like sculpture or woodcuts, or even CD-ROM-type art, is that the call for entries was not distributed to many artists who work in these genres. For example, I am sure there are many sculptors worldwide who have responded to 9/11, but I do not feel confident that this work is well-represented in the 200 entries. The same goes for film: there are a couple of filmic entries, but I know there are literally hundreds of interesting filmmakers who did not submit to Art on the Net 2002.

This is not true of net-based art, which is pretty well-represented in the entries, in terms of artists whose work is known. Of course, many net-based artists did not enter, but a lot of them did.

I am inclined to use my votes within the group of net-based artworks, because I like to see the medium and genre stretched -- and I do find "the medium" as defined by Eryk S to be a pretty interesting take on genre issues. The fact that the net can also be used to display works of art in other genres and mediums is interesting, but to me it is not the most exciting thing about Art on the Net, which is that the net itself can be used for art!




Sunday, October 6th, 2002 at 18:46


 
Re^2: while (Art on the Net ll net.art) { by Ansgard Thomson

  DEAR DAVID
we were invited to discuss categories and I very well understand you like to
compete with a group of artists from the same category you participate with .
Even within digital art (ART ONLY PRODUCED WITH THE COMPUTER)we know artists
who scan in their traditional works and show it as digital works.
Digital photography is mostly used for manipulations with the computer.
Traditional art ,when digitalised and presented as prints is often called mixed media. I would have liked to see far more digital (computer generated work)
in this competition.ALL categories are refered to as "visual art"
As far as I am informed ,the "new media" is a new category within webart
or cyberart and many are newcommers to that category.
Our guest director is keeping in the background to let us discuss amongst ourselves.Anyway any artist not participating in the vote ,might be taken of the list ,as far as I understand the rules set out by the director state that we may change our mind ,who we vote for in the final vote. I put my list up ,because I was asked to do so by the director.
The forum as far as I understand is only public to the participants and the directors .good luck to you .ANSGARD


Sunday, October 6th, 2002 at 21:58


 
Re^1: Let's discuss! by Jeff Gates

  I'm looking forward to seeing everyone's work. It's nice to be in the company of other artists who have been "inspired" by 9/11 and its aftermath.

Tuesday, October 1st, 2002 at 08:49


 
Re^1: Let's discuss! by philip wood

  I have tried to look at all the works entered
but some are either too large for my modem connection
or require plug-ins that my old machine cannot load...

these dificulties are part of the web experience I guess
but it makes it difficult to take on the responsibility
of being a juror...

I will try to view all pieces from a cybercafe if I can find the time...

Monday, September 30th, 2002 at 14:24


 
Re^2: Let's discuss! by Warren Furman

  I agree, Phiip. I made a stab, then quit after a few disappointing resultsEthen tried again and again quit. Endless loads and for what? A crash. Or works that took so long to load that they took so long took so long... and so, so long! Or works from left field and not even about baseball. Or works that were simply neither art nor entertainment by any criteria with which I'm familiar. Yeah, I know: everyone is an artist, everyone a judge and no one's art is better than anyone else's unless it demonstrates superior technological expertise or is loud enough to be seen at a rock concert.

Well, dedicated artist that I am and, of course, stubborn as hell and more than a wee bit masochistic, I spent several hours getting a look at everything that was lookable-at and wound up with a list of about nine productions, three of four of which I found exceptional for one reason or another. I put the list away with the intention of reducing it later, but when next I thought to do so, I realized that the overall experience was so unpleasant that even those deserving four could not get me to revisit my list. "Votes" sat for days idly on my computer until today when it seems to have disappeared. And you know what? There's no way I'm going to hunt down my favs again because I don't remember who they were. But one was a very simple 911 animation in black and another, a marvelously inventive crazy quilt of jiggling windows, X-rated almosts and even a reference to a fine young terrorist. All to a nice raunchy beat. I'm not at all sure that this is art, and I certainly would never be caught doing anything like it, but it's a gasss, so who cares? I also admired Ansgard Thomson's bin Laden—but only because she's a grand ole guy and never ceases to amaze :-)

I'm gone. Make art, not war :-)

Wednesday, October 16th, 2002 at 01:00


 
Re^3: Let's discuss! by Ansgard Thomson

  thank you WARREN for liking my "BIN LADEN" the man who still is a fugitive
and in the center of "all" questions relating to 9/11
maybe he is also an artist? At least a very rich one .

Hope you find your lost list
but as we all know the best thing about art on the Internet is

"IT IS DISPOSABLE AND DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER MUSEUM " ;-)

Wednesday, October 16th, 2002 at 15:20


 
Re^2: Let's discuss! by you minowa

  Dear philip wood,

> I have tried to look at all the works entered
>but some are either too large for my modem connection
>or require plug-ins that my old machine cannot load...

I think it's enough to do your best on your machine.

>these dificulties are part of the web experience I guess
>but it makes it difficult to take on the responsibility
>of being a juror...


Monday, September 30th, 2002 at 22:39


 
Re^3: Let's discuss! by ANSGARD THOMSON

  In reply to Philip Wood I thinks any artist entering a show judged
by other artists must provide the information for the plug ins
or have them working on their page if they like to be selected
by most participants. I consider this a commen curtisy on the Internet

Wednesday, October 2nd, 2002 at 22:53


 
Re^3: Let's discuss! by sakana sato

  Dear All,

As Philip mentioned above, we may also have problems
on viewing some of works.
I think it is better to have a thread for technical problems.
So, the artist can fix it or prepare for the light version,
since communicating to each other through works is more important.
What do you think?

By the way, I got a problem with this forum...

os: windows2000
connection: cable
browser: IE6

I cannot open pages with IE6.
Netscape4.7 or Opera6.0 was fine for my environment.
Is there anything wrong?

Thanks.

Tuesday, October 1st, 2002 at 03:38


 
Re^4: Let's discuss! by Eduardo Navas

  I think that unless it is noted on the projects, we should expect the art pieces to function on all platforms.

I do have disclaimers on for Explorer on Macintosh. Netscape works fine on Macs. PCs platforms work fine.

DSL or broadband is best, sorry for those with dial-up. Give it a minute to download, should not be too long.

Best,

Wednesday, October 2nd, 2002 at 04:20


 
Re^5: Let's discuss! by sakana sato

  Dear Eduardo Navas,

You are quite right. This is not useit.com here.
But, still sharing the information for the accessibility is useful. Like, a
viewer for your work can avoid IE on Mac, and find an alternative way. Of
course, my work is not perfect, too. I know some of unfixed bugs...

Regards,

Wednesday, October 2nd, 2002 at 09:33


 
Re^4: Let's discuss! by you minowa

  Dear sakana sato,

>I think it is better to have a thread for technical problems.

Nice idea.

>By the way, I got a problem with this forum...
>
>os: windows2000
>connection: cable
>browser: IE6

Oops..... I checked this forum on IE5 and Netscape.
Could you see nothing on IE6 ? :0

Thanks for your report.

Tuesday, October 1st, 2002 at 03:54


 
Re^5: Let's discuss! by Eric Dymond

  I'm using IE 6.0 on XP, and I have not encountered any problems with the forum.
Eric

Tuesday, October 1st, 2002 at 15:55


   
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