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Public voting by Blazenko Karesin

  Hello all.

I've reviewed all the submissions and i sent my list favourites to MCMAGATK.
But i would also like to make my vote public, and i hope some others will too, because I think it can be interesting and a learning thing to hear what fellow artists think and how they feel regarding the submitted works; espec. with this judging procedure where we all get to judge.

Not that judging nor winning is the point of the whole thing - i think creating and sharing is - but communicating and sharing views can teach and ispire all of us...

I'd like to first have a few comments on the whole:

First i'd like to express my admiration for all authors; it was a joy and fun to watch all the submissions, and to witness creativity coping with such a... well, not-so-easy subject, as 9.11 has moved and touched almost every person in the world.

I was also a little disappointed in the overall lack of interactivity of what's supposed to be art in an interactive medium. Unfortunately, this is nothing new in web art - it seems to me that many artists have "migrated" to net-based art only to have a wider audience and to have an excuse of not having to work hard to make their "art". Great part of it is not employing the rich possibilities of the medium, and often is plain ugly. While i agree with tendency to minimalism as such - you have to limit yourself when the possibilities are to big, in order to avoid kitsch and plain overuse of them - but then the concept, the idea should carry the power of the work; but this is not often the case.

Second, there is a few submissions which i like as such, but as they don't seem to have any connection to the proposed subject (or it completely eluded me), i excluded them from my list of seven. For the same reasons, i'm not including those works that seem to be something else, hurriedly converted to 9.11 subject by simply throwing in a few images of WTC towers. If i misjudged some work as this kind, i sincerely apologize to the authors.

I also didn't take into account those that have a connection, but clearly weren't made FOR this exhibition, but before, as there was such a point in the rules; i also had a thing very related to the subject which i initially wanted to submit, but this rule stopped me, and i had to make something new - and i am glad in the end, because i wouldn't otherwise make what i submitted.

I am saying this to make clear that there are some works in the list which i appreciate as such, but won't vote for them for the above reasons.

All of this narrowed the list of candidates for my vote, and after a thorough thinking, here's my list of seven submissions:


Eryk Salvaggio
I find this a fine web art, consistent with the subject, utilising the essence of the medium and lifting it to a new level. Good thinking, good execution, good look. Obviously a work of a real web-artist, not an artist who uses web without understanding it.

Andrey Velikanov
A good idea that holds the whole thing together, a message clearly communicated, good design, entertaining details - this is the one i liked most in the first viewing.

Horit Herman Peled
This is to me a good example of "engaged" art, art which is fully "artful" while carrying a strong message and showing the concern of the author for her fellow human beings, and her deep compassion for their suffering. As for the subject of 9.11, i think this applies because the situation in Middle-East is/was strongly affected by September 11th and the ensuing "War on Terror", giving her country's aggressive government and military a renewed excuse for the unprecedented violence and state-terror. It must be hard for her to live there, and she has my full support to keep up, work and not give up.

Brooke A. Knight
I like this one because it is the only one tackling a very important aspect of 9.11, best described in the quote also present in my work:
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do i know? For this is what i have done. And I am Caesar." - Julius Caesar

T Scarpino
This is obviously a submission made with least effort and in shortest time, but i like the simpleness of the idea (missing images/towers) and the fact that it is so rooted in the web medium. This IS the web-thinking i mentioned earlier as too often missing from "web art".

Andreas Troeger
I had a constant inner fight wether to include this fine piece of video or not, for several reasons (pure video and not web as medium, and lack of any stance on the subject, to name a few), but i guess everyone at least enjoyed watching this - at least i did, and very much. Masterful editing and montage, excellent rhythm and flow, good sound and music choice make this one of probable favourites of the exhibition. Good work, Andreas et al!

Ali Miharbi
Although very simple and fairly un-attractive, this is a piece that makes one think - and think about something that might affect each and every one of us (along with the rest of the world population) in the coming years. As the post-9.11 world is unfolding, it seems to be filled with weapons of mass destruction, and with carpet-bombing of entire countries. Atrocities of the War Without End do and will count in countless thousands and perhaps millions; populations of other (and own) countries are obviously just nameless numbers
- numbers to be diminished - in the heads of those who hold their finger on deadly triggers, and seem resolved to start pressing them.

k++

Thursday, October 3rd, 2002 at 03:45


 
Re^1: No more mourn (but think different) by sakana sato

  I found some brilliant monumental pieces especially on formalistic discourse (I really regret to exclude Eduardo's and Eryk's...any way), but personally I think something beyond monuments is required as the art on the net for the subject of this exhibition.

As a media, the Internet technology nowadays is not stable enough to engrave viewer's memory. (unlike traditional sense of architecture, for example) Some people may comment on the instantness of the Internet technology, and most of net-based artists probably cannot be ready for the answer today in terms of budget scale and historical issue. It is not related to the superiority as a media, but it is simply reality.

So, I have chosen pieces trying to distribute a controversial place for opened discussions, an opportunity to contemplate the incident, or a node of some sorts of 'networks'.

here is my 7:

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+Andrey Velikanov
Humour (very few in the list) is sometimes effective rather than speaking up the voice. Very aggressive too. Seemed to be a mimicking a maze, which traditional broadcastings are falling into.

+Horit Herman Peled
The inevitability for the artist gives the art work strength and delivering row information is undoubtedly a key role of the internet technology, however I was wondering what position this piece can hold in the art context. Because, I believe art should be beyond the reality. But fine quality of a starting point of a discussion.

+Eric Dymond
This is for me the most unexpected and disturbing image in the list. I felt uncanny quality.

+Brooke A. Knight
This work reminds me the huge star-spangled on the building of Union Square, N.Y. few weeks after 9.11. I found a quiet gaze on the air of New York after the incident.

+marco da costa brava
Very simple work but plenty and provocative image. Exposing only fragments means stressing the point and evoke the imagination.

+Ali Miharbi
This seems to me about highly abstracted slaughter. Simplicity is also a part of the visual language on this work.

+Paul Biedrzycki
Only this work may challenge the functionality of the internet technology with a critical viewpoint. Also this challenging is symbolic effort on the history of Internet. "Anything can be a weapon" make a sense, because WWW is a product of Cold War after all.

(no specific order)

We've got 3 DAYS left. So, I might be changing the 7 at the end!!

sakana

Thursday, October 17th, 2002 at 09:38


 
Re^1: Public voting by philip wood

  I can't actually remember my votes
but there were 2 obvious choices for me...

eryk's memorial is neat
and benefits aesthetically
from the cool images
of the WTC
and also is a nice approach
that could be applied to all disaster memorials past present and future
so long as a list of names is available for the dead...

my main choice would be zanni's broken image towers
as opposed to jimpunk's or scarpino's
because the same symbollic idea of absence
has been juxtaposed with a commercial banner
and uses devices specific to the net
to create thought provoking balance...

both eryk and zanni are active on the net circuits
and I am a bit worried by the "slick" convenience of the pieces
so the 3rd choice I remember reflects an outsider instinct...

domingo s. hernandez
in the title of his image piece
comes closest to my sentiments about 9.11

Sunday, October 6th, 2002 at 06:23


 
Re^1: Public voting by antonio mendoza

  i thought your post was very thoughtful.

Unfortunately, when commenting on Brooke A. Knight's piece, you use the same julius caesar quote that Barbra Streisand just used at a democratic fundraiser, which happens to be a fake. Neither mr. caesar nor mr. shakespeare ever said or wrote that. at least, not in recorded history.

otherwise, i liked what you had to say.

Friday, October 4th, 2002 at 00:11


 
Re^2: Public voting by Karo (Blazenko Karesin)

  Thanx Antonio, i didn't know about this...

Still, even if the quote is fake, it is not false: the reason i liked it so much in the first place is because i've seen it at work, in my own country, twelve years ago. We had a leader banging the drums of war, we had people blinded by patriotism, we had closed minds and blood boiling with hate, and then we had war and everything else mentioned in the quote, in the exact order.

I can only agree with B. Streisand:
"The authorship of this is important. But it doesn't detract from the fact that the words themselves are powerful and true and beautifully written. Whoever wrote this is damn talented and should be writing their own play"

Thnx for bringing this to my attention

Friday, October 4th, 2002 at 07:08


 
Re^3: Public voting by antonio mendoza

  No problem blaz.

i was just reading about Barbra and how she was attributing the quote to shakespeare and it made me laugh.

i agree that war sucks, and the war mongering president appointee bush sucks even more. but then again, i rather be listening to a screaming scud heading to my house than hear barbra sing again. didn't she retire a couple years ago?

by the way, i like you piece. i have narrowed down my choices to a list of 15 and yours is one of them.

Friday, October 4th, 2002 at 12:04


 
MY OFFICIEL WINNER LIST !!!!!!!! by michael mastrototaro

  and the winners are.................!

jimpunk [+++]
jurgen trautwein [++l
Chatonsky gregory [±±±]
Christian de lutz [--±-±±]
andrey velikanov [++*-]
anotnio mendoza [++-+l
ali miharbi [+++++++]

greatings
mastro


Saturday, October 12nd, 2002 at 13:46


 
Re^1: MY OFFICIEL WINNER LIST !!!!!!!! by Ansgard Thomson

  ali miharbi [+++++++]as your choice as the best is interesting .
I am still offended by this work ,because it shows the evidence of
political activisme ,that should not even be accepted in this
show.
On the positive side "GERMANY" was left out as a target .
Rather interesting political manipulation .

As a CANADIAN I can only say ,we can serve our country only as peace
keepers to all nations ,who have found a new home in Canada .

Saturday, October 12nd, 2002 at 15:15


 
Re^2: MY OFFICIEL WINNER LIST !!!!!!!! by ali miharbi

  the targets i chose are the most crowded cities of the world. i thought that was pretty obvious..

-ali

Monday, October 14th, 2002 at 14:26


 
Re^3: MY OFFICIEL WINNER LIST !!!!!!!! by Ansgard Thomson

  YEAH YOU LEFT CANADA OUT .NICE OF YOU !

Your message I copy here from your site

"Now you are capable of reversing the conditions of human suffering rapidly and resolving conflicts decisively." by killing 100 enemies?

would be nice if they would hit the right bad people ,eh ?





Monday, October 14th, 2002 at 16:08


 
Re^2: MY OFFICIEL WINNER LIST !!!!!!!! by Blazenko Karesin

  dear Ansgard

.regarding "political activism":
++ 9/11 is a politically heavily charged subject, and while you are free to avoid/disregard that aspect in your work, ruling it out (as in "should not even be accepted") would mean cutting out a significant part of the whole thing - and to me the most intersting one. In that case it would be simpler and more proper to simply choose another subject altogether, like "Bees and Flowers" or "Life on Mars"

.regarding "serving your country":
++ the irony in Ali's work was obviously completely lost on you. pity...

...regarding "most interesing part":
++ many works here list (or are a tribute to) 3000 victims of this horrendous act. Yet, no-one made a tribute to 24000 that died of hunger that same day, and the day before, and the day after, and the day after that, because it is a daily hunger toll. Of course, that's one list of names that you won't find in media and can't copy-paste into anything because they're just nameless "collateral damage" of western civilisation and it's consumption and "markets"...

Blazenko Karesin - artist.activist()

Sunday, October 13rd, 2002 at 09:05


 
Re^3: MY OFFICIEL WINNER LIST !!!!!!!! by Ansgard Thomson

  Dear Blazenko
you are right in so far as 9.11 invites political discussion for all of us who were touched by that event and the press has done to make us more disturbed
about the consequences . the theme was not chosen as
what caused 9.11 just simply "9.11"
my picture leaves the interpretation open to the viewer and I aggree
with you with any political discussion one must look at the unnamed victimes
as well, in my case I have said we are all victimes of such terror from the sky. Creating an art work asking the question which place would you bombe
to serve your country just offends me .
I am fully aware that the games played by our young people on the computer
would consider this a fun game to play .
I am pleased that you have taken the time to reply.
Best to you .Ansgard

Sunday, October 13rd, 2002 at 11:28


 
Re^4: MY OFFICIEL WINNER LIST !!!!!!!! by Blazenko Karesin

  I don't think your work is more open to viewer's interpretation than Miharbi's. For one thing, we (you and me and probably Mastro) obviously interpreted it quite differently: you see it as prompting a CHOICE of a city to bomb, the viewer's choice, while i see it as a cinical illustration of a mindset of people that have "destruction at their fingertip" and see population as numbers and collateral damage etc... and also as a caricature of that kind of patriotism that involves hurting other nations "in the service" of one's own...

On the other hand, putting a picture of Osama Bin Laden in your work, you (and Gustavo Alberto Garcia Vaca) are making an interpretation of your own and diminish the viewer's one.

...and talking about "offending", to me Gustavo's work is much more offending, since it seems to imply that the attacks have something to do with Islam as such...

Monday, October 14th, 2002 at 04:03


 
Re^5: MY OFFICIEL WINNER LIST !!!!!!!! by michael mastrototaro

  hmmmmm !

i think it should be possibile, that a artist make a work like ali miharbi`s. and of cause i think, it should be possibile AFTER 9/11.

it`s art - not war

by the way, guiltily is this person who drop the bomb. (in reality)
not who make a website......

Monday, October 14th, 2002 at 08:22


 
Re^6: MY OFFICIEL WINNER LIST !!!!!!!! by Ansgard Thomson

  MICHAEL
you do have a point about the guilty one ,who drops the bomb.

I would like to agree with you about that it is art not war but

I like to go one step further according to the message I am getting from
the work "it is alright to bomb , if it serves your country"

the question of guilt is shifted to the perpetrator in this case
of 9/11 to Bin Laden and not a country .
the artwork is out of context with the theme

Monday, October 14th, 2002 at 12:07


 
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Re^7: MY OFFICIEL WINNER LIST !!!!!!!! by ali miharbi

  hi everyone! i was going to post my comments after i'd decided on my votes, but for some reason, i decided to write a few words earlier than i planned..

i will not write anything on my own piece, however i will shortly summarize my views on the subject - 9/11 and the artwork here..

to me the subject 9-11 does not consist of the day 9-11-01. its much broader than that. that horrible event should make us think -if we didnt think before..think about where the world is heading to..think about terrorism in general..and war..think about things that we didnt care about before and maybe start caring about why we're still murdering each other - doesnt matter how and why we do it; the result is murder.. unfortunately, a lot of people still prefer not to think.. sometimes certain 'ideologies', sometimes remoteness & technology and sometimes just the rush of daily life help us stay unfocused; maybe art can help us to focus a little bit more..thats one thing i was expecting from this contest..

when i started reviewing the submissions, i saw that there were some really strong pieces, however something looked wrong in a large number of them: the choice of medium - the internet. no medium is absolutely better than another but for a given (good) idea there is only a few media that can complete it. when i look at a woodcut, i want to see the original when i can tell there is an original which is much more powerful than i see on the screen. when i see a video, i prefer to see it full-screen, not in a browser window (unless the browser adds anything to it) because i cant see a relevance between the video piece and the 'stop', 'refresh', 'home', etc.. buttons above it. i dont want my mouse and my keyboard to interfere between the piece and myself unless i really need them. that was probably more important than the content to me because everyone can interpret 9-11 in a different way which is actually the fun part but seing a single picture or video, no matter how beatiful it is, was not fun to me since this is not an 'online catalog exhibition' but an art exhibition..

i cant write too much since im not done reviewing yet.. well, hopefully i wont run out of time..

-ali

Monday, October 14th, 2002 at 16:03


 
Re^8: by ali miharbi

  my current list looks like this:

eryk salvaggio
t scarpino
carlo zanni aka beta
jimpunk
blazenko karesin
babel
paul biedrzycki
antonio mendoza
sakana sato
andrey velikanov
suk ram ren fah
chriatian de lutz
david golumbia
eduardo navas
judith villamajor

Wednesday, October 16th, 2002 at 19:46


 
Re^8: MY OFFICIEL WINNER LIST !!!!!!!! by phil

  all culture before and after auschwitz is garbage... hehe

some tentative hints happening
at how tedious all the entries are
which I guess is a sign of life
with regards our critical faculties...

and what is more
it is all wrapped up in politeness
which is nice too...

I am wondering how
the "real" junk links
didn't get entered...¿¿¿

there was a neat musical one
" hey mr. taliban hand over ben laden"
"daylight comes and we drop the bombs"

a neat statue of liberty wearing a veil...

can't remember half of them...

I made this atrocity
http://www.medialounge.org/benny.swf
but at least I only mailed the link to a couple of friends...

outside of the mystic and apocalyptic significance
I vibed from 9.11
the rest of it was underlining (as if it were necessary)
the total absurdity of (my?) world...




Monday, October 14th, 2002 at 21:50


   
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