voting system by eduardo navas   Hello everyone, I find it hard to put up my votes so soon. I will, however, post a short list from which I am currently working to come up with 7 selections. I would like to state that there are many works that need a lot, A LOT of time to digest, and I would encourage those who have already voted to take a couple of days with lots of coffee/brandy/scotch/vodka/tea to check out the substance behind some of the submissions. The pieces that made it to my short-list I consider to be too complex, and need further examination on my part. Many of them use flash and shockwave for interaction leading to intricate narratives. Those participants with slow modems should be patient. Art is not fast food. Here is the criteria for the pieces on the short-list: 1) If the art work dealt with the net as an art medium. If the piece was not using the aspects of the net as a creative "canvas" it was not included on the short list. After all, this exhibition is called ART ON THE NET for a reason. 2) If the work dealt with 9/11 in some way. If the piece seemed conveniently adjusted for the show, it was ommited from the list. Though some of the works are very good, I think we should be honest with ourselves and not submit something just to have another line on the CV. It ends up hurting the artist's integrity in the long run. It should always be about the work. 3) If the piece took some sort of position on the catastrophe. 4) If it was critical in some way. This last requirement is the one which will define my final selections, but it was used in a more general way to obtain the short-list. Here is the short list, in no particular: Erik Salvagio Jim Punk Chatonksy Gregory Agricola de Cologne Christian Delutz Megan Jacobs Reynal Drouhin Phillip Wood Brooke A. Knight Sakana Sato Andrey Velikanov Marco de Costa Brava Fabian Giles Blanzeko Karenin Ali Mihabi Antonio Mendoza Babel Kristen Palana Paul Biedrzycki Michael Mastrotaro Friday, October 4th, 2002 at 03:45

Re^1: voting system by Ansgard Thomson   >If the art work dealt with the net as an art medium> Kindly define what you call the net as an art medium. the creative canvas you are mentioning can also be 2dimensional and constist only of one image that defines the theme 911 for what we are looking for very effectively ? Friday, October 4th, 2002 at 14:57

Re^2: voting system by Jeff Gates   I would agree that since this is a "net art" exhibition that art that is specific to the medium called "Internet" would be a criteria. By that I mean, what work "is" (is successful?) because it uses the net as its medium. What pieces use the structure of the net or the tools we use to access the net (like our browsers) in how the work is created or structured. For example, take a look at T Scarpino's piece. Now, I have not looked at all submissions yet but when I saw this I was really struck by how it used the conventions of the browser (coding to create empty images of the WTC) in a simple manner (in art, in general, I'm always struck --and impressed-- by the simplicity of often very complicated works). Not only that but the loss we felt is implied by the missing images. In Internet Explorer on a Mac, missing images are noted with an "x" graphic. In Netscape 7 you get empty images noted with a broken graphic. Both are emblematic of the loss we feel. And the piece is so simple, yet says a lot. Friday, October 4th, 2002 at 15:09

Re^1: voting system by Karo (Blazenko Karesin)   I totally agree that "art is not fast food" and that it takes time to fully get into some submitted pieces... When i was posting my vote, i realised that it may be actually too soon and that i might change my opinion on some pieces when i see them more times... But i acted nevertheless, for practical reasons: at the moment i have quite few complications in my daily life and it may happen that i won't have time enough to browse thru the exhibittion on daily basis - and knowing me, it may easily result in me being late, by simply not noticing that 20 days have passed. I was making my piece in stolen moments (as there was almost no free time for me lately) and on the morning of 19 Sept. i suddenly realized the deadline was here and still didn't even finish the thing. I just didn't want to be late again. I hope other authors are more lucky with their circumstances and that everyone will take their time digesting this fine food for thought properly... Friday, October 4th, 2002 at 08:07

Re^2: voting system by philip wood   art is not even fast food or rather it is much faster and it is harder to avoid for the "consumer" than just not going to a particular restaurant... obesity and neurosis are part of the consumer reality... I guess my online work tries to hint at overload and the multiple juxtapositions and interpretations that can happen especially given the added mystery of the state of mind brought by the viewer which is even less controllable than the variable connection and hardware/software issues... I voted very quickly because of real constraints and I hope to vote again perhaps if I can find some more time in the midst of major personal upheaval... it is interesting that some people have been offering critiques for what is appropriate to the net.art medium and of course after many years of working with the net both for personal and commercial reasons I have my own simple criteria which I try not to apply too systematically... my votes kind of reflect the "smart" art aspect but at the same time I find the "smart" minimal angle worrying and kind of de-humanizing but I am not a critic and I won't use this discussion as a soap box for my own complex views which may be guessed at from viewing my work... I would just like to apologise for not having the time or the connection that would allow for a thorough viewing of the work in the list... Saturday, October 5th, 2002 at 04:55

Re^3: voting system by Eduardo Navas   >it is interesting that some people >have been offering critiques >for what is appropriate >to the net.art medium >and of course after many years of working with the net >both for personal and commercial reasons >I have my own simple criteria >which I try not to apply >too systematically... > I think there is a confusion about my criteria. I am not in any way imposing my methodology on anyone else's way for voting. This one was made public in order to better understand my decision making by others on the list. I am not right or wrong, I simply have a system that I personally find productive, and thought I should share. What I think is art is irrelevant, as I can choose what I choose, and others choose what they choose as they wish. In the end, there will be certain people who get votes for diverse reasons, and this is what will define the winner; whether a particular methodology is proper or not is a personal issue, that need not be a factor in the final outcome, as long as we all vote. My criteria should not be attacked simply because this one is not in accordance with the criteria of others. That is why it is my personal method, that in the end leads to an opinion. My votes will be sent based on the four points that I decided to work with, and that is that. Whether anyone on the list dislikes them is irrelevant. I simply posted them as a way of sharing my methodology. Sunday, October 6th, 2002 at 05:40

Re^4: voting system by philip wood   I would agree that everyone will have their own methodology and I wasn't attacking you for making yours public... I am uncomfortable with being a juror as by my own criteria I would vote for myself... I guess voting means I needed to modify my criteria...¿¿¿ Sunday, October 6th, 2002 at 14:45

Re^3: voting system by philip wood   ps... I just tried viewing my own piece and it won't refresh on my home machine so only people with time and a fast processor will be able to view my piece as it is intended to play... Saturday, October 5th, 2002 at 06:02

   
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